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The Master(2012) in 70mm!
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cinemad
2012-11-14 05:36:00 UTC
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Last night I went to the Orpheum Cremorne Theatre to see the Master in 70MM.
The Orpheum is about the only cinema in Sydney where 70MM can be shown apart from the Blacktown Drive-In.

If anybody is contemplating seeing this film I strongly suggest that you read the aricle in the November American Cinematographer Magazine available online at: http://www.theasc.com
Apparently the original intention was to shoot it partly in VistaVision and partly in 1.85:1 35mm but apparently thetre was little noticeable difference between the two so it was decided to go to 65MM.
Originally the intention was to shoot only a quarter of the film in 65mm but after seeing the results of the first weeks rushes they decided to shoot considerably more in 65MM.

The film was shot by Mihai Malamaire Jr and he mainly used slower speed stocks
which necessitated the filming at near fully open apertures that severely restrict the depth of field. There are many extreme close-ups in the film and in these scenes the background is a total blur.

Perhaps the Director Anderson used 65mm deliberately so that the depth of field is severely resticted, he could have achieved the same result by using neutral-density filters with 35mm.
There are many wide shots in the film where only part of the picture is in focus, and the focus puller is going from Front objects in focus to rear objects in focus. This becomes very distracting after a while and really draws attention to itself.

Unlike Little Buddha(1994) where the scenes shot in 65mm really stand out it is really obvious what scenes were shot in 65mm ant what scenes were shot in 35mm,
in this film it is very difficult to tell what guage any partcle scene was shot on. To me it all looked light average 35mm and the 70mm Blow-ups of TITANIC(1997) looked much sharper.

The acting is very good and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd, a Spiritualist Guru, who develops an obsessive relationship with Freddie Quell, a retired seaman who suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, turns in a
great performance and Joaquin Phoenix is equally good as the slightly retarded ex-seaman.

I think those 70mm aficiandoes who are expecting to see a crystal clear 70mm
image as in say, RYAN'S DAUGHTER(1970) will be disappointed. I think it was a waste of time and money to shoot the film in 65mm as all it shows is the inadequacy of 70MM's restricted Depth of Field and the DOP not using enough light to compensate. This is a small intimate picture and in my opinion 70mm is totally wasted. Perhaps the DOP and the director Anderson wanted this very shallow depth of Field but after a while it does become tiresome.

Film stocks are much sharper and finer grained today than the Eastman Color 5254
Color Negative which RYAN'S DAUGHTER(1970) was shot on in 1969-1970 and yet it looks much sharper on a 50ft screen than THE MASTER(2012)

A lot of younger people today don't even know what 70MM is, and to advertise a film in 70MM means something only to a certain generation of Film goers who expect to see a Super-Large immaculately sharp and grain free image.
There are many scenes in the Master which are evidently out of focus, but I suppose some people feel that has artistic value.

I must admit I only went to see the film because it was in 70mm.
After a few minutes I began to have doubts as to whether or not in was being shown in 70MM but I did notice 6 sets of circular change-over cues and when the end titles were being shown I walked up to the Projection Box and I could see, through the Port-Hole the 70MM film coming off the Platter. I assume it was DTS Sound.

AS a film I would give The MASTER 7.5 out of 10.
As an example of 70MM Presentation 5 out of 10.


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Peter Mason
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2012-11-14 08:12:07 UTC
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In Karlsruhe the image was stunning and very, very bright (at the request of PTA) and ultra sharp. The difference between scenes shot in 35 and 65 were stunning - like a window opening up every time it went from 35 to 65, and back again to the soft focused world of 35 (note this in some of the dialouge scenes).

It was a super intense experience to see those close ups, but it wasn't a film like the 70mm die-hard fans will digest easily. "The Master" is not like simple films like "Ben Hur" with a beginning, an intermission and a happy ending.

The last third of the film felt like a dream sequence to me. I didn't make much sense to me - yet. Maybe it will improve upon the next viewing, or the next. But that was the same as "2001", or "EWS" - a director who does not give you answers, but rather give you a challenge. An opportunity to think. Use your imagination.

I'm sure "The Master" will develop a following over the years - in 70mm of course.

Thomas
in70mm.com
cinemad
2012-11-15 05:44:07 UTC
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In Karlsruhe the image was stunning and very, very bright (at the request of PTA) and ultra sharp. The difference between scenes shot in 35 and 65 were stunning - like a window opening up every time it went from 35 to 65, and back again to the soft focused world of 35 (note this in some of the dialouge scenes). It was a super intense experience to see those close ups, but it wasn't a film like the 70mm die-hard fans will digest easily. "The Master" is not like simple films like "Ben Hur" with a beginning, an intermission and a happy ending. The last third of the film felt like a dream sequence to me. I didn't make much sense to me - yet. Maybe it will improve upon the next viewing, or the next. But that was the same as "2001", or "EWS" - a director who does not give you answers, but rather give you a challenge. An opportunity to think. Use your imagination. I'm sure "The Master" will develop a following over the years - in 70mm of course. Thomas in70mm.com
What does EWS stand for?
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Peter Mason
m***@hotmail.com
2012-11-15 07:15:14 UTC
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Hi Peter

EWS = Eyes Wide Shot



and @ "Grandeur 70" aka. "The Doctor": said, "That was truly one of the great mysteries of the year"

No it wasn't, if you care to read about the making of the film

and, there are no such thing as second generation 70mm prints for "The Master"
cinemad
2012-11-15 08:20:21 UTC
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Only second generation 35mm Blow-ups.
Didn't they have to cut in the blow-up 65mm Interneg from the 35mm Interpositive
and make a 65MM Interpositive from that. Is that what it said in November American Cinematographer article?

Was that Eyes Wide Shot OR Eyes Wide Shut
or the porno version Legs Wide Open?

Regards,
Peter M
m***@hotmail.com
2012-11-15 12:24:17 UTC
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Yes, as you say "Eyes Wide Shut" - my Scandinavian is much better

And "Samsara" is shown in 4K in Melbourne 15. and 16. February @ the Astor
g***@hotmail.com
2012-11-15 01:40:59 UTC
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The Cremorne Orpheum is not a good place to see 70mm. The screen is too small for 70mm and is also not curved and slightly tilted back due to the steep angle from the projection box to the screen.When you go to see s film in 70mm you want it to take up the entire screen rather than only a small portion like it was with VERTIGO and PLAYTIME.Seems to be a complete waste of 70mm for THE MASTER.Also you have to pay more than double the admission price to see it in Sydney than you would have to in Europe or USA.Maybe Australia received a second generation print compared with Europe? It is also a pity that SAMSARA was only released in digital after being filmed in 70mm.That was truly one of the great mysteries of the year as there are plenty of cinemas that are equipped for 70mm presentations. I guess we will have to wait until it is released onto bluray in January as there are no planned cinema screenings in Australia even in digital (which I abhor).
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